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Re: Tarrying in Tashal and Environs

#151 Post by MDMann » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:57 am

Math is always fun! :D

I'd now be tempted to kill the king and call a succession council to derail all these plots.
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#152 Post by Rothesay » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:39 am

Session 134 is now available here.

Meden plays quite a few cards, Baris is confronted by math, and Aeomund's crisis of conscience inches closer ...

Enjoy! 8)

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#153 Post by Rothesay » Fri Feb 03, 2017 2:43 pm

Session 135 is now available.

Now who could be behind the assassination of Queen Hesena?

Enjoy! 8)

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#154 Post by MDMann » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:38 pm

All hotting up. Another good read.

Suspended animation? That would be Odivshe in application I think... possibly Fyrvian, which borders it on the wheel anyway.

I wonder what will happen to Curos plans from all this? It doesn't suit him at all. Not when there's likely to be a succession council and certainly a council of ministers and peers. Osel probably has the most to gain from this and if not is an ideal scapegoat.
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#155 Post by Rothesay » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:51 am

MDMann wrote:possibly Fyrvian,
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MDMann wrote:I wonder what will happen to Curos plans from all this? It doesn't suit him at all. Not when there's likely to be a succession council and certainly a council of ministers and peers.
Said council took place the following day. Balim canvassed everyone over the night and while he failed to carry the vote to get the succession placed in the hands of clan Elendsa, they did 'remove the heavy burden of the crown from a sick man.' The council then assumed the royal prerogative until a new monarch could be chosen. By the council, of course. Astaroc sat in for the first time and cast the Elendsa vote. A subset of three: Astaroc, Edine Kynn, and Meden (!) were chosen to handle the 'search' for a new monarch. They all agreed to decide by the middle of the next month, Savor 15. Balim, of course, has a specific candidate in mind and will be spending the time organizing that. Meden will be doing the same for himself.

Ewen proposed (brilliantly) that the council be limited to the nine present. This locks out Vemion, Osel, and anyone else who was late to the party.
MDMann wrote:Osel probably has the most to gain from this and if not is an ideal scapegoat.
And so he became. Under torture, the assassin implicated one of Osel's men. That remains to be played out.

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#156 Post by Nightly Knight » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:38 pm

I just wanted to say: I love reading about your campaign. It's practically like reading a novel. The character interactions are fun, most of all though I enjoy your depiction of the different nobles and their attitudes and plans. You really bring it to life. It's also been helpful to me in figuring out how to bring to life my own campaign.

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#157 Post by Rothesay » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:11 am

Thanks - very kind! It's always good to know that people are enjoying the notes and find them of use in their pHarns. 8)

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#158 Post by MDMann » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:44 am

Well it's brilliant from Ewens point of view. Those absent are able to contest the council with arms and legitimacy unless it's very quick in deciding. Yet it binds the council members to support the choice. Of course, with the Serekela helping choose it cuts down the opportunity to oppose the choice greatly.
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#159 Post by Rothesay » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:48 am

Session 136 is now available here.

As noted, King Haldan III is deprived of the crown. Orsin Firith is having major second thoughts, but I'm not sure my players have noticed yet. Astounding! 8)

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#160 Post by MDMann » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:23 pm

Who could they propose?

The Earl of Minarsas is a solid choice, probably the best candidate. Not good for Ewen, he'd have to work to prevent that (or lose his Barony if not his life).

Curo of course. Not really trusted. Bur strong. Balim can't accept that.

An Elendsa. It's safest and has most legitimacy. It's easiest to sell to the rest of the nobility and the church.

One of the brothers or cousins. Ubael the Younger perhaps. Strong links to Balim and Firith (who he squired for). No strength of his own to bring from his father's weak Barony (though popular). Reasonable, but likely opposed by Curo.

Astaroc himself as a compromise (his age might help as it gives people time to arrange a more stable succession). The person most to object could be Astaroc himself, genuinely strengthening his position.

The Indama boy. Curos man probably.

Ewen as a wild card. Which might actually upset Ewens plans and almost guarantees conflict with Rethem. Which he can't reveal of course. Possibly Melderyn too.

Lenera. Conwans daughter. A thought. Or his sister.

Harabor. Can't quite discount him yet.

Brandis. The same.

Someone else?

The next question would be what price people could expect for their support?
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#161 Post by Rothesay » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:05 am

MDMann wrote:Who could they propose?
Ok, so sneak peek. :wink:
MDMann wrote:The Earl of Minarsas is a solid choice, probably the best candidate.
He has become rather unhinged of late, and not a drop of royal blood. But Vemion before his son's death would have made an able monarch.
MDMann wrote:Curo of course. Not really trusted. Bur strong. Balim can't accept that.
No, yet I think Meden would be a fine king in the Louis XI mold.
MDMann wrote:An Elendsa. ... Ubael the Younger perhaps. Strong links to Balim and Firith (who he squired for). No strength of his own to bring from his father's weak Barony (though popular).
Close, but not quite ...
MDMann wrote:Astaroc himself as a compromise (his age might help as it gives people time to arrange a more stable succession). The person most to object could be Astaroc himself, genuinely strengthening his position.
Nope, though I am letting it hang out there. Firith's comment he didn't know about him is telling.
MDMann wrote:The Indama boy. Curos man probably.
Well, he's married to an Elendsa. It's his underage kids who have the claim, or his wife. And yes, the Indamas are in the tank with Curo.
MDMann wrote:Ewen as a wild card. Which might actually upset Ewens plans and almost guarantees conflict with Rethem. Which he can't reveal of course. Possibly Melderyn too.
No. Nothing like conjuring one's not-dead father and being taken to the woodshed big time. Ewen's player knows Duke of Kaldor is in the cards, but King would upset the whole carefully constructed plan.
MDMann wrote:Lenera. Conwans daughter. A thought. Or his sister.
Dead, dead, and Peonian. His siblings should be in the running, but the council seems to take being Peonian clergy as disqualifying.
MDMann wrote:Harabor. Can't quite discount him yet.
Mirild and Kornuska are very much in the game.
MDMann wrote:Brandis. The same.
Alive, and a wild card.
MDMann wrote:Someone else?
Yes, Serli Ubael the Younger. Queen Chelebin IV! :lol:

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#162 Post by MDMann » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:35 am

I like Serli. A good choice.

I think you've got her as Fyrvian, though I pegged her as Peleahn. With her mother as Lyhavi (a late bloomer). The family also take on the spinster daughter of Kobarney, a major vassal as chamberlain (Savoryan) and maintain the town Odivshe as a tutor, plus his mavari. All on the QT.

Now who doth she wed? And what appointments does she make?
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#163 Post by Rothesay » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:48 am

MDMann wrote:Now who doth she wed? And what appointments does she make?
That I do not know. Events need to unfold a bit.

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#164 Post by MDMann » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:31 am

It should nicely mess with your players. They know she's Shek Pvar, but does everyone else? Astaroc probably.

Balim could support her anyway as the daughter of a loyal vassal.

The other nobles wouldn't fear a consolidation of holdings and she's suddenly very eligible.

She's Firiths niece. Her brother was her squire. A cousin is Master of Squires and her other uncle is the able Lord Advocate.

She holds Elendsa blood. Her mother is another candidate, though her frailty might exclude her.
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#165 Post by Rothesay » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:20 am

Session 137 is now available here.

Mostly Ewen learns being a Baron has all sorts of interesting aspects. :twisted:

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#166 Post by MDMann » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:00 pm

Interesting. It seems you're setting up the gargun invasion after the next viking incursion. Now if Scina was Deyrni (or his children)...
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#167 Post by Rothesay » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:31 am

MDMann wrote:Interesting. It seems you're setting up the gargun invasion after the next viking incursion.
Nah. Total red herring. Of course, I could change my mind if there was a good reason.
MDMann wrote:Now if Scina was Deyrni (or his children)...
If you've looked at my Deryni house rules, you can see how this works. With the Deryni talent commonly carried on the X chromosome, it can only be passed by a father to a daughter, or by a mother to either. If a man has offspring with a non-Deryni woman, he will not pass on the gene to any sons. This is basically what happened by the time of Troda, and so that potential is completely out of the comital line.

Note that the gene can also be (rarely) carried on the Y chromosome. Rahel is an X'X and Ewen is an XY' since AoM is X'Y' (as is Arren II). This means their bastard child is also an X'Y' which I think kind of fun. (The ' indicates the presence of the Deryni gene.) Now Ewen can pass on to a son which means his child with Thilisa will be XY' and thus Deryni. But were they to have a daughter, she would be XX and so not.

What's interesting here is this is Katherine Kurtz's original vision which she has apparently changed for a more sophisticated explanation as our understanding of genetics has improved. However, I have this sort of heredity long-established so to change it now would cause quite a few problems IMC. But it also means the racial component is nonsense - the Deryni are just humans with a genetic mutation. 8)

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#168 Post by MDMann » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:38 am

Interesting. So the expressive allele would be on the xy break locus, presumably in the junk dna. Would outbreeding depression become a factor from this for the incestuous child? Would it be a heterozygous advantage or homozygous recessive relative advantage between the phenotypes? How does it work with the Base Pairs?
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#169 Post by Rothesay » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:31 am

Well, you clearly understand the topic better than I, and this might be something Kurtz's current approach reflects.

For me, I should think the allele very likely would reside on the noncoding DNA, and would certainly not be recessive.

Something to consider for the v4 revision. 8)

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#170 Post by rvonsteinman » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:29 pm

MDMann wrote,
Interesting. So the expressive allele would be on the xy break locus, presumably in the junk dna. Would outbreeding depression become a factor from this for the incestuous child? Would it be a heterozygous advantage or homozygous recessive relative advantage between the phenotypes? How does it work with the Base Pairs?
In Katherine's book "Deryni Magic" she goes into the genetics of the deryni. My copy is still packed away since the move, but if you have or can get your hands on a copy you might find the answers you're looking for.
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#171 Post by Rothesay » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:57 pm

Deryni Magic is invaluable and certainly informed my house rules. The genetic inheritance concepts come from the original version of High Deryni (1973) which is partially why they are so dated.

It is my understanding that Kurtz's views have advanced more recently than Magic (1990) would permit.

I would like to update my house rules to reflect a more current scientific notion of genetics but without compromising my campaign history.

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#172 Post by MDMann » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:55 pm

I'll try and pick that book up, thanks.

It's been nearly 2 decades since I studied this but I'll offer what insight into it I can.
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#173 Post by rvonsteinman » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:15 am

Rothesay wrote:Deryni Magic is invaluable and certainly informed my house rules. The genetic inheritance concepts come from the original version of High Deryni (1973) which is partially why they are so dated.

It is my understanding that Kurtz's views have advanced more recently than Magic (1990) would permit.

I would like to update my house rules to reflect a more current scientific notion of genetics but without compromising my campaign history.
Other than the book probably the best thing to do is to get on chat sessions and ask her. There's one almost every Sunday night at http://www.deryni.net.
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#174 Post by Rothesay » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:11 am

Interesting site - a whole group of people who like the things I don't like about Kurtz's work! :lol:

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#175 Post by rvonsteinman » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:19 am

Rothesay wrote:Interesting site - a whole group of people who like the things I don't like about Kurtz's work! :lol:
Yup. :lol:
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