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And I like looseleaf. Smile Although I freely admit I'm in the minority on that.


I like looseleaf as well.
A friend is a collector of Ravenloft material (yeah, I know, I should ban him :wink:). Anyway, he must read through various different modules and books to get info on 1 subject. Looseleaf makes that so much better.

A glossy hardcover book wouldn't make me happy. I like the current lay-out and down-to-earth art of Lushek and Hotz. Not shiny colourplates for me.


I also like the looseleaf format. I can move articles from binder to binder to keep the area I am concentrating on in one binder instead of spread out over NUMEROUS books.

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I keep a portable game binder and a library full of reference binders. Wherever the PCs are headed, I put that stuff in the game binder and leave the rest in the library. Sometimes I guess wrong, but for the most part it is a good system.

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I hear from a credible source that Gardiren shipped today.

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I hear from a credible source that Gardiren shipped today.


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At last. At last!

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Hi!

I'M new to this particular Harn forum.

Why remove Elves and Dwarves? After all they are part of our "subconscious Heroic fantasy" culture. Yes they have been created
by a HF author and so what! Millions of people read Tolkien and are able to relate to his world. I believe that having Elves and Dwarves in Harn does help newcomers identify to something and define what a heroic fantasy world is. I could personally live without them, but I don't see them as a major problem. I had a few players play both races in the past, it never was a problem, but I have to say that I had really disciplined players who would play the characters really well. I have been roleplaying for 28 years now, been with Harn since the beginning in 1983, I've always loved what they did but I really don't understand their lack of energy all of a sudden in the 90s. It seems like the creation of new stuff almost went to a stop in the 90s..... and talk about bad marketing.


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Welcome to the forum!

I'm a fellow 1983er, and been running a campaign on Harn since then. Having just found this forum, hopefully you're also aware of the great deal of fanon available on the internet - first stop being Lythia.com.

It would be interesting to hear of your experiences, being a 'lifer' as it were. :wink:


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Gardiren is out now!!!

http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/qu ... ct_id=5623

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Just a note that I want MORE fantasy, not less.

Things I think CG could publish easily that I'd buy without thinking about it:
Chimeras
Ethereals
More Ivashu
A detailed adventure set in an old dwarven ruin.

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Some of these things are in the works, but probably a year away.
Some other things that may tickle your fancy are closer than that.

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Thanks for the heads up as always John.

It's always good to shake the magic 8 ball - ask, "will my official Harn Library grow at all this year."

And see the words, "it is likely," come up on the little pyramid.

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I realize there is often a difference between what's planned and what really happens, but isn't HarnQuest intended as a quarterly release?

If so, then as long as CG is able to release something before April, they're actually still on schedule.


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I was very lucky the last time. My group was about to visit Gardiren and I got Gardiren two days before playing day. Now my group is planning to take on the Silver Way and if everything is going as planned I will need the Silver Way article in about 6 - 10 weeks. Can I be lucky again?

Hmm! The Silver Way article is in the next HârnQuest or?

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Krazma wrote:
I realize there is often a difference between what's planned and what really happens, but isn't HarnQuest intended as a quarterly release?

If so, then as long as CG is able to release something before April, they're actually still on schedule.


HQ was supposed to be a quarterly release, but in the end we get only two issues a year - if we are lucky. I still wonder what the people at CG are doing - they get all the articles from freelancers, only mapping and editing is left to be done. Even if HM is only a hobby project for CG, their slow output is - well - strange.
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Upcoming Products - My suggestion is future (bloody) scenarios. Let's face it, since Harn time is frozen at 720 TR you got to think 721 TR is going to be a REALLY BAD year for Harn:

1) The Jarin are on the cusp of starting a second rebellion in Orbaal.
2) King Minigath is about to expire without an heir sparking a Kaldoric civil war.
3) The Earl of Tormau and King Chafin III are about to start a Rethemi civil war.
4) Kronas Elernin plans on attacking either a) Kanday or b) the Tulwyn so that he can declare himself emperor sparking a Thardan civil war.
5) Gwadira, a Lothrim-like-figure, is about to lead the gargun into a takeover of Harn.
6) A sect of the Church of Naveh is taking over the equally vicious Pagaelin to attack everybody in reach.
7) The Lady of Paladins are leading a 'crusade' against the Solari which incidently ticks off, in no particular order, the Council of Eleven, several major Melderyni nobility, the Laranian Church, and the Kaldoran fighting order.
8) Certain Hodiri tribes are contemplating taking over Chybisa.
9) Chybisa could shortly be in a succession crisis.
10) The Obodu and Iorzu, the largest Kuboran tribes, are about to fight over who leads the tribes for the invasion of Rethem.
11) The Agrikan fighting orders want to lead a crusade against a) the Kubora and then b) the rest of Harn.
12) The Urdu vs. the Equani vs. the Ymodi are in escalating conflicts.
13) The Morgathian Church wants to take over Harn.
14) And of course, Gwydriel and the dark elves are up to no good....

Did I forget anybody?


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Upcoming Products - My suggestion is future (bloody) scenarios.

Did I forget anybody?


Yes AF vs OGD :twisted:

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Future Bloody Scenarios (hereafter FBS) are built into the setting on purpose and many have done them in one fashion or another. What I like about your list is it brings them all together in one spot and highlights a few that rarely seem to get airtime, i.e. the barbarians.

Now, CGI is never going to do anything like this simply because it violates the post 720 rule. However, it seems to me that this is very fertile ground for fanon, especially for those who've run one or more of these. I know that the KSC has been done, Will Kilmer is running Kronas now, the Warrior's Grave is a fine intro to the Pagaelin, and I'm sure there are others out there.

FBS could even become a brand tag like FFF. 8)


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Merdain wrote:
Let's face it, since Harn time is frozen at 720 TR you got to think 721 TR is going to be a REALLY BAD year for Harn:

1) The Jarin are on the cusp of starting a second rebellion in Orbaal.
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14) And of course, Gwydriel and the dark elves are up to no good....


Indeed! It is an interesting scenario, as the way Hârn's current situation is written, an island-wide cataclysm is bound to happen, no matter what the players try to do. IMC, I run all the abovementioned plotlines in parallel (well, not all -- 10 and 11 did not really surface, as the players never ventured so far west). At the moment, it is 723, and all of Hârn is in flames.

Who was it that said that "He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom"? I disagree wholeheartedly. :D

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I'm pretty much using all of the above plotlines to set Harn on fire and make the PC's have "more fun than they can possibly imagine" TM.

I using one change to this brought on by Rothesays fanon article on Deryani in Harn. But the results of that will only add more fire in my opinion.

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Hello,

This is a great list and I would love to see a serious of fanon adventures each exploring one of these ideas.

I would suggest that there is little chance of an island wide cataclysm.

Merdain wrote:
1) The Jarin are on the cusp of starting a second rebellion in Orbaal.
2) King Minigath is about to expire without an heir sparking a Kaldoric civil war.
3) The Earl of Tormau and King Chafin III are about to start a Rethemi civil war.
4) Kronas Elernin plans on attacking either a) Kanday or b) the Tulwyn so that he can declare himself emperor sparking a Thardan civil war.
5) Gwadira, a Lothrim-like-figure, is about to lead the gargun into a takeover of Harn.
6) A sect of the Church of Naveh is taking over the equally vicious Pagaelin to attack everybody in reach.
7) The Lady of Paladins are leading a 'crusade' against the Solari which incidently ticks off, in no particular order, the Council of Eleven, several major Melderyni nobility, the Laranian Church, and the Kaldoran fighting order.
8 ) Certain Hodiri tribes are contemplating taking over Chybisa.
9) Chybisa could shortly be in a succession crisis.
10) The Obodu and Iorzu, the largest Kuboran tribes, are about to fight over who leads the tribes for the invasion of Rethem.
11) The Agrikan fighting orders want to lead a crusade against a) the Kubora and then b) the rest of Harn.
12) The Urdu vs. the Equani vs. the Ymodi are in escalating conflicts.
13) The Morgathian Church wants to take over Harn.
14) And of course, Gwydriel and the dark elves are up to no good....


An alternate view:

Future Happy Scenarios

1. The Jarinese resistance fails to coalesce. Orbaalese successfully defeat the fragmented pockets of resistance.

2. King Miginath soldiers on, defying all expectations of his imminent death. The Kaldoric Succession Crisis is postponed for years.

3. Chafin III's agents successfully assassinate the Earl of Tormau and his niece and nephew. Royal forces, supported by the Roving Doom, Warriors of Mameka, Red Shadows of Herpa and the Earl of Ithiko easily retake Ithius before moving on to Tormau and quickly dispersing Tormau's army (left leaderless and unpaid by Tormau's death). The Earldom of Tormau is awarded to a Chafin III loyalist.

4. The Imperial Faction of the Thardic Senate forms a coalition with several other factions. Kronas is peacefully elected emperor. He decides to spend the next five years consolidating Tharda's position (a condition of earning the support of the Consolidation Faction) and expanding and improving the legions. He also retakes Themeson before negotiating a peace treaty with Chafin III.

5. One night, while walking among here gargun subjects, Gwadira is unexpectedly stabbed in the back by an insane gargun. A civil war breaks out and her hidden alliance is shattered with her death.

6. An "unknown group of adventurers" lead a raid on the Navehan Temple in Bejist, fatally weakening the Navehan Church.

7. Support for the Solari Crusade collapses. The Lady of Paladins in Kaldor split from their parent order causing a crisis in the leadership. Under intense presure from the King of Melderyn, the Laranian Primate relieves the Grandmaster and orders an end to the crusade.

8. The Hodiri fail to come together under a single chief. Chybisa suffers repeated attacks, but only from one or two trbes at a time. There is much damage to their western manors, but the kingdom survives...for now.

9. The heir-apparent, Prince Balesir, goes completely crazy from syphillis. King Verlid VII names Princess Nerelin his daughter, as heir-apparent and her husband as Prince-Consort. There is much relief when the Princess gives birth to a healthy son.

10. With the defeat of the Earl of Rethem, Rethem is in a much stronger position. Kuboran warriors fleeing the King's attack on Tormau bring word that Chafin III has unified Rethem and is ready and able to fight off a Kuboran attack.

11. With his victory over the Earl of Tormau and the peace treaty with Tharda after the fall of Themeson, Chafin III has solidified his control of Rethem. The next to fall is the Copper Hook. The Royal forces, supported by the other three fighting order, decend on Hyen. The Copper Hook is crushed in an overwhelming attack. As a reward for their loyalty, Chafin III awards the keep to the Roving Doom. In return, the Roving Doom return Teregan and its subordinate manors to the crown. Chafin III combines them with the Agrikan Primate's estate at Vinarsa and gives permission for the Primate to build a keep at Teregan.

Kanday
Faced with a suddenly unified Rethem and Tharda under a militant Emperor, Kanday faces a crisis. Under intense pressure, King Andasin IV marries the daughter of the King of Melderyn (if I remember correctly, he has one available, I don't have my books with me). Kanday and Melderyn sign a military treaty. Having successfully terminated the Solori Crusade and installed a new, more biddable Grandmaster, King Chunel orders a large contingent of the Lady of Paladins to Kanday to reinforce the northern frontier. King Chunel sends embassies to Kronas and Chafin III to make it clear that any attack on Kanday will be considered an attack on Melderyn.

12. War breaks out among the Urdu, Equani and Ymodi. In the civilized kingdoms, no one notices.

13. King Chafin III, well supported by the fighting orders of the Agrikan Church is now sufficiently secure to constrain the Morgathian Church and bend them to his will.

14. Gwydriel and the dark elves get tired of the "mayflies" and hop the next boat to the Blessed Realm.

You see, it is all in whether you look at the glass as half empty or half full.

:D

So, depending on what you want from Harn, simply choose one scenario from the "Future Bloody Scenario" and the rest from the "Future Happy Scenarios" and you can take Harn in what ever direction suits your preferences.

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Of course you can pick one and set the rest on the back burner to simmer quietly. Then when your players have had their fill of one crisis, just turn op the heat on the next.
721 doesn't have to be a calamitous year, it could simply be an awful start to a disastrous 15 years...

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I like the way John Thinks :twisted:

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Nataniel Risfuin wrote:
Why remove Elves and Dwarves? After all they are part of our


Because we hates them we does....

Actually, their fine for a more conventional Tolkein-clone approach to fantasy role playing and there's no reason other than preference to remove them. They don't work so well for someone who is interested in an approach geared more towards historical realism spiced with magic, sword and planet style stories, or a pulp style fantasy with a different set of fantasy tropes. A lot of people who play hard are more into the "historical realism spiced with magic," approach, but that's not universal and there is not correct answer in this - I mean, some people want their harn to have red headed shield maidens named sonja...


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721 doesn't have to be a calamitous year, it could simply be an awful start to a disastrous 15 years...


Why ruin the character's day when you can ruin their entire lives... 8O


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