Does anyone use d20 for Harn anymore?
I simply ask because I do and if anyone had some good d20 Harn house rules, tips, spell lists & conversions, monster stats etc not covered by the d20 Harn Guide from Shane's site or Chris' spell conversions that were on S&S, I'd be keen to share ideas.

Copernicus

I use the D20 rules in the Harn setting. I've gone a slightly different route than more of the Harn-D20 mixes I've seen in that I've tried to alter D20 as little as possible from a rules POV.

Yes.

Check out the campaign website. Links to me and the site are below. If you like the setup notes, drop me a private message and we'll talk.

I use the early version of the D20 (first edition AD&D) modified for my Harnic Campaign. Have kept as much of both intact as possible but have had to modify things for the playing purposes.

There's that Gaming Project Attention Defecit Syndrome again... I won't be working on any D20 stuff as my pals gave me something else to work on.

I'm thinking, however, that the best D20 adaptation for Hârn is still the Wheel of Time D20 RPG, especially if you don't mind changing the Shek P'var to fit the WoT magic system. Just rename a few things, make a few adjustments and you're ready to go.

The big problem is rituals cause WoT doesn't have any. There is, however, Chris' D20 Hârnic rituals that he converted. They used to be on Patrick's site, but no more it appears. Not sure how they'd fit with the WoT spells, though...

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Tyndale

Hey Tyndale,

Since I made that last post I came across the D20 Modern SRD. Despite the modern tones, the rules appear (and I say that without actually having read the rules) to be nice, generic fit for that "toned down" feel.

Or... were you being sarcastic?

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Who is "they"?

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If only Agrikfury would rear his firey self, he could tell you all about it. IIRC, he uses the CoC rules with Harn which borrows heavily from d20 Modern.


Me for one. Though I use HM, d20 Harn may potentially send more players my way. One step out of the grave, so to speak.

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Funny that you should mention Modern. One of my players (who is DMing at the moment ) just asked me if I'd be interested in trying it out. From what I have read so far, I like it. You may be onto something. But I do so love WOT.....Too many choices.... head hurts....wallets is about to reposesed by my wife....



I was serious . Sometimes I totally miss the fact that my posts could be read in another fashion than I intended from this side of the screen.

Regards,
Tyndale

Me for two . In defense, my Elitist Hârniac & Picky Bastard friend, I have preordered HM3 .

I hold out that reasonable Harn d20 conversion can be done. Harn certainly doesn't need d20, but d20 needs Harn. When I first read Harn materials, my head hurt. "What, where is my linear plot line? How am I suposed to run this? What, I can't walk around with full plate and a naked bastard sword at my side. What, my mage can't let off a fireball in the middle of the town square without being burned at the stake?" I am slowly being detoxified. I still have the shakes now and then, but feeling better

Regards,
Tyndale

Coverting Harn to a D20 system is surprisingly not hard as it seems. Most of the basic Harn Stats are 3d6, as is D20. With a little fudging, and averaging of a few stats, one can take a basic Harn character to a D20 charater. Using the Abilitity Constitution from D20, one can combine the Endurance and Stamina stats from Harn and get and a Constitution abilitity. Now the converstion isn't perfect but it works.

I have never had troubles finding players for HârnMaster or any other RPG. And I am not living (and have not ever lived) in a big city. So it puzzles me that you cannot get enough players in the fatherland of RPGs ...

I have nothing against D20, but what stirred the outcry of the Hârn veterans was the fear of a "detwentification" of HârnWorld when Auran released their first material on their website some time ago... but I do not want to open an old can of worms... others will certainly jump in...

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I have the Auran products of no use to me (not putting down Auran) but careful what I buy for gaming now. To much out there to choose from.

I have the Auran products of no use to myself. I made a mistake in the previous reply. Sorry all.

I have FOUND (got it right now) the Auran products of no use....
Three times I might get it right.........

It puzzles me too. I live in a huge city (Washington D.C. Metropolitan area) and I tried for almost a year to recruit players for a HârnMaster game with no luck. Not a single person I talked to had even heard of HârnMaster. They knew lots of other games, but not HârnMaster.

Finding D&D players, however, was on the other end of the spectrum. All the D&D players I talked to wanted to play something akin to Forgotten Realms and weren't interested in a "toned down" D20 game. I'm glad other folks had luck recruiting players with the D20 Guide cause I sure as hell didn't.

I guess it's no surprise that I liked WotW. As a Hârn adventure I thought it was good. As a D20 adventure I thought it was awesome.

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Yeah, it sucks to be me. I know there are players out there, because there are a lot of Harn products at the game store, but I'm in a group that doesn't care to much for the HMC style. Somewhere along the line, I lost my vision. I went years with just me & my wife, running RuneQuest (Glorantha) and other cerebral games. Suddenly, friends that had long been bored to death of us talking about rpg were brought into the fold with 3e. Years ago, I would have skimmed the cream, and gently escorted the unwanted players out, but for the last couple of years I've been at the mercy of the casual gamer. I feel like I'm considering cheating on my wife, because I so want to tell her that I'd like to find a Harnmaster group instead of all this D&D with our current group. Thankfully, she is seeing the turn in my mood, and has put into motion the retirement of our current game, and a move back to RuneQuest. It is the best I can hope for at the moment. I have to consider d20 versions of Harn adventures in an effort to mold my players, but it seems like such a waste of time and effort. Why dedicate 10 to 15 hours a week working on games you don't really want to run? Why do the same for games that your players don't want to participate? At least in this forum, I have all of you as my 1-800-HAR-NIAC help line.

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I would not have any problems getting players either. However, I am very selective with whom I play. Although we are not best friends, I do hang out (go to movies, do dinner together) with my group outside of play. If I would hesitate introducing a player to my wife, I would hesitate playing with them. A little , I know.

Regards,
Tyndale

Well, sometimes some gaming is better than no gaming. Not always, of course. Like if you're truly not having any fun.

I had gotten to the point where I would happily run a D&D game, as intended, with no modifications, just to be playing. I wasn't too keen on it, but all it takes is an attitude adjustment. I bought $150 worth of D&D stuff to run a campaign, had fun reading it, laughing at some stuff, oohing and ahing over other stuff, etc.

But then Exalted came along...

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You got a point there. I shouldn't come down to hard on my group, I just needed a moment to bitch and moan about the whole thing.

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Some poor soul lamented: "If only Agrikanfury would rear his firey self, he could tell you all about it. IIRC, he uses the CoC rules with Harn which borrows heavily from d20 Modern."


Behold, mortals, and tremble at my terrible approach! I step forth from the black flames of Balgashang once more in answer to thy summons!

Or, to paraphrase the little girl in POLTERGEIST, "I'm baa-ack!"

I quit using my d20/CoC hybrid Harn rules after the first few sessions and switched to HarnMaster. My campaign improved as a result (or so my players insist, though I was fine with my alternate system). We made it through 100 Bushels of Rye and a bit beyond, but alas, my main player is an attorney and his caseload of boneheads awaiting trial went into overdrive, and I had my own work-related projects to contend with. Ergo, no RP gaming since August!

The good news is we have managed to get some tabletop gaming action going with the incredible new Risk: 2210 A.D. board game from Avalon Hill and the Lord of the Rings Risk game, both of which make drastic and welcome improvements to the old classic Risk game, most importantly, a 5 turn limit to the game.

Lately, after slogging my way through Icewind Dale 2 and Neverwinter Nights on the PC (both d20 games), I've been fiending to get my game on again, though I've been tempted to switch back to d20 and do some old fashioned, high magic hack-n-slash in the (almost) Forgotten Realms ... simply because d20 (IMO) at its most basic requires much less in the way of carefully crafted plots and intricate histories... it being more about video game action and a bad case of the "gimmes." Such frivolity is much easier for me to prepare than the grim, gritty realism of Harn World. Although I still haven't lost my desire to adventure in HarnWorld, I prefer to wait until I can do it "justice," LOL.

Anybody got a review of HarnMaster 3 (compared to HarnMaster 2, which I bought earlier this year) for me? I've been out of the loop and off the board for months and just heard about it.

Frankly, I had become convinced that the EnWorlders had finally pooled their gold pieces and hired somebody to bump you off! Welcome back, AF, nice to see you're still kickin'

-Mark

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No doubt there will be a plentitude of HM3 reviews...when it arrives. It was due to begin being shipped Monday, although there is some hint that shipping won't being until later in the week.

And, BTW, welcome back. Your incessant demands for information have been missed...

I'm only razzin' a bit. Seriously, there were lots of people who seemed to disappear like you. Fortunately, most have made it back over the passed few weeks, so seeing you here too makes the set complete.

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I WASTED 80 Piety Points and got geased for this?

I switched to HM before my first session, and it really helped the players get into the right mindset. They don't know the world, they don't know the rules. They are as superstitious as a stick farmer now. Two sessions ago, the alcoholic shield maiden in the party was trying to eavesdrop on the third wife of the valhakaar of turenborg, who is rumored to be a witch (Odivshe) but the nature & extent of her powers is unknown. I had been wanting to play up the character's difficulties with alcoholism, and had decided on the fly that she suffered a wave of nausea from the previous night's binge. The player believes that the witch cast a spell on her, and has been playing her character in fear.

In short, using the right tool for the job can save you so much work. AF, how long did it take you to write your house rules? It seemed like months. You homebrew looked really promising, and I think you should make them available for the d20 community.

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